From Friday's Indo:
Bishops warn of State powers in immigration billYou can understand, of course, where the Church is coming from -- with mass attendance rates in the Republic at below 50 per cent (in 2006), the bishops are no doubt looking towards immigrants in order to get some warm bodies in the pews.
By John Cooney
Friday March 14 2008
Catholic bishops are preparing for a potentially major Church-State clash over draconian powers which they fear are being given to the Government in immigration legislation currently before the Dail.
Opposition to the controversial Immigration, Residence and Protection Bill has been signalled by the bishops in a strongly worded statement issued at the end of their three-day spring meeting in Maynooth.... [link]
And the tactic is working:
Newest arrivals enliven Irish CatholicismI wonder, though, if they ever consider at all the effects of mass migration on the host society? Or even the effects on the immigrants' countries (see here and here)?
Will immigrants help prevent Ireland from a steep decline in religiosity?
By Daniel Strieff
March 17, 2008
DUBLIN, Ireland - Less than two years ago, St. Audeon’s Catholic Church was dying. It offered one sparsely attended weekly Mass in Latin and was on the brink of closure.
Now resurrected as the main home for Polish Catholicism in Ireland, the central Dublin church is one of the most dynamic in the country, providing 18 services a week, 11 of which are in Polish, and drawing up to 5,000 parishioners every Sunday.
The fate of St. Audeon’s illustrates how this country’s recent immigrant wave, roughly half of which is composed of Catholics, is helping to re-energize Ireland’s Roman Catholic Church, an institution that had been in steep decline, caused in part by a series of sex scandals involving priests over the past two decades.... [link]
See also: Immigrants re-energise Irish Church
5 comments:
Hi HG -
My sons and I watched a very long program on modern Ireland over the week-end and I thought of you and wished you and your people well. You certainly have your work cut out for you.
It's true that I have pointed out many times to my fellow nationalists that the Catholic Church is a leading proponent of open borders and massive immigration. I don't speak of this at my blog because as a native of Los Angeles, used to finger-wagging bishops lecturing me on this issue, used to every parish being primarily Spanish-speaking, used to seeing on my local news the Archbishop of Los Angeles standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Mexican Consul General demanding yet more accomodation for Mexicans in my city, the matter just seems obvious to me.
It never really occurred to me that it could not be obvious to anyone that this is so.
This is the problem I have with my fellow nationalists who go on at length about the Jews this and the Jews that. First, as you'll no doubt confirm, this is happening all over the Western world and there aren't exactly large amounts of Jews in places like...well, like Ireland.
Second, even if one believed the worst these people say about the Jews, it would seem to me that this much larger, much more powerful body--which, after all, is officially a foreign state complete with diplomatic representation--which shares a religion with the millions upon millions of illegal aliens who have arrived in my country, my state and my town over the past 20 years is, to put it lightly, a bit of a bigger worry.
To make matters worse, the mainstream conservative movement in the US is heavily Catholic itself (i.e. National Review, First Things, etc.) and these "conservatives" often claim that "socially conservative" Latinos are a net plus to America, religiously and morally speaking.
Leaving aside the fact that these idiots are usually East Coast morons who literally have no idea at the scope and the nature of the change the American Southwest has undergone, the sentiment is on its face offensive.
I don't want to live in a world where there is no Ireland, no Irish people, just some State with Irish-Citizens. It's wrong. It's just slow-motion genocide wrapped up in guady and misplaced idealism.
And it needs to be resisted.
To make matters worse, the mainstream conservative movement in the US is heavily Catholic itself (i.e. National Review, First Things, etc.) and these "conservatives" often claim that "socially conservative" Latinos are a net plus to America, religiously and morally speaking.
NS is right on. Catholics in the US consistently poll as more favorably inclined towards open borders/against immigration restrictionism than members of other Christian (white) denominations are (Evangelicals, interestingly, tend to be the most restrictionist). Jews, New Age, and atheists/agnostics are to the left of Catholics, though.
In California, this has been especially overt, with the Catholic Church teaming up with large labor organizations like the AFL-CIO in favor of increased immigration and amnesty.
In the US, nearly one-third of Catholics are Hispanic, so this trend is only going to accentuate.
I don't believe it would be anti-Catholic to oppose having parades of this showing up in your neighborhood. Good G-d!
http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/Santa-Muerte/santa-muerte.htm
New Sisyphus, if you want to bash the RCC for its pro-immigration policies, that is fine. However, your attacks on the Church always seem to be coupled with an exculpation of the Jewish community. That is wrong.
But remember, one of the foremost advocates of immigration control in the United States is Pat Buchanan, a traditional Catholic, and also that the National Review supports limiting immigration.
The Church has supported the sovereignty of the state, and its freedom to limit or stop immigration as desired. True, the bishops tend to ignore this, but the Church's teachings are not set by the wavering opinions of the clergy. Since Vatican II, many are the traditional teachings that are openly ignored by the bishops. The Catholic Encyclopedia's article on the civil authority, from which one can learn the authentic Catholic teaching, tells a different story than the bishops, agreeing with Aristotle that the state is a natural progression from the extended family- thence, the state must certainly be able to control who is allowed into its very extended family!
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